Moroccans pay 144m a year for monarch

[Susan Cohen]

http://tinyurl.com/4taug
The Telegraph, London
By Kim Willsher in Paris
(Filed: 23/01/2005)
The Moroccan king, Mohammed VI, spends 3.6 million a month on staff

wages,

97,000 on car repairs and almost 53,000 on animal feed, according to

a

breakdown of the palace budget that has enraged his poverty-stricken
subjects.
Details of the lavish spending - the first time that the finances of

a

royal Arab household have been revealed - show that the king costs
Moroccan taxpayers 144.6 million a year, 18 times more than Queen
Elizabeth II.
King Mohammed's motorcade
The king was once known as 'King of the Poor' for his promises
The palace spends 632,000 on electricity and water, 600,000 on

telephones

and 355,000 on petrol and fuel. The monthly clothes bill comes to

121,000,

while stationery alone costs 61,000.
Democracy campaigners have pointed out that six million Moroccans - a
fifth of the 30 million population - have to survive on about $1

(54p) a

day.

Do they point out how much a president would cost?

The Moroccan royal family's private wealth is estimated at $4-$5

billion

(2.1-2.7 billion) by the American financial magazine, Forbes,

although

other estimates put it as high as $20 billion.
The revelations, printed in a Moroccan French-language magazine,

prompted

the king's cousin, Prince Moulay Hicham, to call for Morocco's system

of

rule to be overhauled.
"Reforming the monarchy is the only way to ensure it endures,'' said

the

prince, who has been banned from the royal palace in the capital,

Rabat,

since the two men fell out and now lives in America.

Isn't he lucky.

Last month, Morocco's parliament, which is controlled by the king,

went

through the annual ritual of approving the royal budget without

debate.

About 1,100 people work at the court of Mohammed VI, 42, who gained

the

reputation of a playboy before he succeeded his despotic father,

Hassan

II, in 1999. He was once hailed as the "King of the Poor'' for his

early

promises to reform Morocco's economy, although on one official visit

to

the Western Sahara, the king required four Hercules transport

aircraft to

ferry his sumptuous retinue.

Only 4? He must be a moderate.

According to the magazine, Tel Quel, which compiled the figures from
official records and broke a national taboo in publishing them, the

king

benefits more from his taxpayers than any other royal family or head

of

state in Europe.

In Europe? What about elsewhere?

In Britain, the Queen's annual budget has been frozen at 7.9 million

for

the next five years, while Spain's royal family costs 5.05 million

and the

Belgian monarchy 4.23 million a year. President Chirac of France has

a

budget of 22.3 million a year.

You see?

The king's monthly "salary'' of 25,126 compares with that of senior
Western company directors; but the total sum paid monthly to other

members

of the royal family is 114,500.
Abdelhamid Amine, the president of the Moroccan Association of Human
Rights, which has been campaigning for a minimum wage, praised Tel

Quel

for publishing the figures.
"People are angry to learn that there is such an enormous disparity
between the rich and poor in our country," he said. "They want to

know how

the monarchy can spend so much when so many people are living on less

than

$1 a day.
"We have continually campaigned for an agreed minimum wage of 112-119

a

month in industry and 80 a month in agriculture. The legislation has

been

drawn up but never implemented.
"We have demanded constitutional reforms to limit the powers of the
monarchy and create a properly democratic system. Everyone hoped

Mohammed

VI would change these things, but we are still hoping."
Two years ago, a Moroccan magazine editor was jailed for four years

after

he published a cartoon suggesting that the monarchy was robbing the
country.
Tel Quel's royal budget issue sold 35,000 copies, double its usual

weekly

circulation. A spokesman for the independent magazine said: "We've

waited

for some official reaction to the article, but so far there's been
nothing. Not from the court, from the official press or from MPs.

It's

quite bizarre."
The controversial article was accompanied by an interview with Prince
Moulay Hicham.
"The monarchy has to either dissociate itself from the old caliphal

system

or evolve from it," he said.
He dismissed the idea that the monarchy was "sacred".
The prince said: "Democracy and sacredness are not compatible. That's

the

whole problem with the Moroccan political system and a question which
affects us all."
King Mohammed promised to modernise Moroccan society and introduce a
culture of accountability and transparency when he came to power

after his

father's autocratic 38-year reign.
He also pledged to make the fight against poverty one of his

priorities

and embark on a series of political and economic reforms. Most

powers,

however, remain in the hands of the monarchy and his hand-picked

advisers,

known as the makhzen, and ordinary Moroccans have seen little real
improvement in their lives.

Yadda, tadda, yadda. <YAWN>

Susan

[Hannah Levy]

Living in Morocco during 30 years , I don't think anyone knows what's
really 's going behind the palaces gates.Moroccan palaces are not public
***** hotels where journalists are allowed to talk to their employees.It's a
total secrecy and the staff is chosen more carefully than the one working in
UK royal palaces.
None of the employees is allowed to talk to foreigners and less to
journalists, any journalist.
Everybody who does not work for the king is suspicious and must be
avoided.This is the rule governing everybody inside the palace, period!
If journalists have questions or want to talk to someone from the palaces,
there is an official speaker paid just to do that job and nothing else , so
the other members of the staff have not to do it.
Since "The Telegraph" has given an acurate detailed account of how money
is spent
by the royal family as if the author of the story below has lived during
many years inside
those palaces with the royal family and as if he/she were their
personal accountant ,could this reporter illustrate his/her story and
his/her speculations with some kind of bona fide source I can check by
myself ?
I don't trust anybody , especially this kind this kinf of liars brit
journalists writing sensationalist
stories in their tabloids in order to sell their papers.
Knowing Morocco as I know it for many years Ican assure anyone that there
is nothing true in this anti-Moroccan propaganda financed by Algeria seeking
by any mean possible to tarnish Morocco's image,its sworn foe.
Anything that can't be confirmed by sources from the Moroccan palaces
is just a fiction .And I am sure Moroccan palaces won't allow the
publication of this
kind of taboo information.I confirme again this article is just pure
speculations to sell the paper publishing it.
----------------------------------------------------

Post by Susan Cohen

http://tinyurl.com/4taug
The Telegraph, London
By Kim Willsher in Paris
(Filed: 23/01/2005)
The Moroccan king, Mohammed VI, spends 3.6 million a month on staff

wages,

97,000 on car repairs and almost 53,000 on animal feed, according to

a

breakdown of the palace budget that has enraged his poverty-stricken
subjects.
Details of the lavish spending - the first time that the finances of

a

royal Arab household have been revealed - show that the king costs
Moroccan taxpayers 144.6 million a year, 18 times more than Queen
Elizabeth II.
King Mohammed's motorcade
The king was once known as 'King of the Poor' for his promises
The palace spends 632,000 on electricity and water, 600,000 on

telephones

and 355,000 on petrol and fuel. The monthly clothes bill comes to

121,000,

while stationery alone costs 61,000.
Democracy campaigners have pointed out that six million Moroccans - a
fifth of the 30 million population - have to survive on about $1

(54p) a

day.

Do they point out how much a president would cost?

The Moroccan royal family's private wealth is estimated at $4-$5

billion

(2.1-2.7 billion) by the American financial magazine, Forbes,

although

other estimates put it as high as $20 billion.
The revelations, printed in a Moroccan French-language magazine,

prompted

the king's cousin, Prince Moulay Hicham, to call for Morocco's system

of

rule to be overhauled.
"Reforming the monarchy is the only way to ensure it endures,'' said

the

prince, who has been banned from the royal palace in the capital,

Rabat,

since the two men fell out and now lives in America.

Isn't he lucky.

Last month, Morocco's parliament, which is controlled by the king,

went

through the annual ritual of approving the royal budget without

debate.

About 1,100 people work at the court of Mohammed VI, 42, who gained

the

reputation of a playboy before he succeeded his despotic father,

Hassan

II, in 1999. He was once hailed as the "King of the Poor'' for his

early

promises to reform Morocco's economy, although on one official visit

to

the Western Sahara, the king required four Hercules transport

aircraft to

ferry his sumptuous retinue.

Only 4? He must be a moderate.

According to the magazine, Tel Quel, which compiled the figures from
official records and broke a national taboo in publishing them, the

king

benefits more from his taxpayers than any other royal family or head

of

state in Europe.

In Europe? What about elsewhere?

In Britain, the Queen's annual budget has been frozen at 7.9 million

for

the next five years, while Spain's royal family costs 5.05 million

and the

Belgian monarchy 4.23 million a year. President Chirac of France has

a

budget of 22.3 million a year.

You see?

The king's monthly "salary'' of 25,126 compares with that of senior
Western company directors; but the total sum paid monthly to other

members

of the royal family is 114,500.
Abdelhamid Amine, the president of the Moroccan Association of Human
Rights, which has been campaigning for a minimum wage, praised Tel

Quel

for publishing the figures.
"People are angry to learn that there is such an enormous disparity
between the rich and poor in our country," he said. "They want to

know how

the monarchy can spend so much when so many people are living on less

than

$1 a day.
"We have continually campaigned for an agreed minimum wage of 112-119

a

month in industry and 80 a month in agriculture. The legislation has

been

drawn up but never implemented.
"We have demanded constitutional reforms to limit the powers of the
monarchy and create a properly democratic system. Everyone hoped

Mohammed

VI would change these things, but we are still hoping."
Two years ago, a Moroccan magazine editor was jailed for four years

after

he published a cartoon suggesting that the monarchy was robbing the
country.
Tel Quel's royal budget issue sold 35,000 copies, double its usual

weekly

circulation. A spokesman for the independent magazine said: "We've

waited

for some official reaction to the article, but so far there's been
nothing. Not from the court, from the official press or from MPs.

It's

quite bizarre."
The controversial article was accompanied by an interview with Prince
Moulay Hicham.
"The monarchy has to either dissociate itself from the old caliphal

system

or evolve from it," he said.
He dismissed the idea that the monarchy was "sacred".
The prince said: "Democracy and sacredness are not compatible. That's

the

whole problem with the Moroccan political system and a question which
affects us all."
King Mohammed promised to modernise Moroccan society and introduce a
culture of accountability and transparency when he came to power

after his

father's autocratic 38-year reign.
He also pledged to make the fight against poverty one of his

priorities

and embark on a series of political and economic reforms. Most

powers,

however, remain in the hands of the monarchy and his hand-picked

advisers,

known as the makhzen, and ordinary Moroccans have seen little real
improvement in their lives.

Yadda, tadda, yadda. <YAWN>
Susan

http://tinyurl.com/4taug
The Telegraph, London
By Kim Willsher in Paris
(Filed: 23/01/2005)
The Moroccan king, Mohammed VI, spends 3.6 million a month on staff

wages,

97,000 on car repairs and almost 53,000 on animal feed, according to

a

breakdown of the palace budget that has enraged his poverty-stricken
subjects.
Details of the lavish spending - the first time that the finances of

a

royal Arab household have been revealed - show that the king costs
Moroccan taxpayers 144.6 million a year, 18 times more than Queen
Elizabeth II.
King Mohammed's motorcade
The king was once known as 'King of the Poor' for his promises
The palace spends 632,000 on electricity and water, 600,000 on

telephones

and 355,000 on petrol and fuel. The monthly clothes bill comes to

121,000,

while stationery alone costs 61,000.
Democracy campaigners have pointed out that six million Moroccans - a
fifth of the 30 million population - have to survive on about $1

(54p) a

day.

Do they point out how much a president would cost?

The Moroccan royal family's private wealth is estimated at $4-$5

billion

(2.1-2.7 billion) by the American financial magazine, Forbes,

although

other estimates put it as high as $20 billion.
The revelations, printed in a Moroccan French-language magazine,

prompted

the king's cousin, Prince Moulay Hicham, to call for Morocco's system

of

rule to be overhauled.
"Reforming the monarchy is the only way to ensure it endures,'' said

the

prince, who has been banned from the royal palace in the capital,

Rabat,

since the two men fell out and now lives in America.

Isn't he lucky.

Last month, Morocco's parliament, which is controlled by the king,

went

through the annual ritual of approving the royal budget without

debate.

About 1,100 people work at the court of Mohammed VI, 42, who gained

the

reputation of a playboy before he succeeded his despotic father,

Hassan

II, in 1999. He was once hailed as the "King of the Poor'' for his

early

promises to reform Morocco's economy, although on one official visit

to

the Western Sahara, the king required four Hercules transport

aircraft to

ferry his sumptuous retinue.

Only 4? He must be a moderate.

According to the magazine, Tel Quel, which compiled the figures from
official records and broke a national taboo in publishing them, the

king

benefits more from his taxpayers than any other royal family or head

of

state in Europe.

In Europe? What about elsewhere?

In Britain, the Queen's annual budget has been frozen at 7.9 million

for

the next five years, while Spain's royal family costs 5.05 million

and the

Belgian monarchy 4.23 million a year. President Chirac of France has

a

budget of 22.3 million a year.

You see?

The king's monthly "salary'' of 25,126 compares with that of senior
Western company directors; but the total sum paid monthly to other

members

of the royal family is 114,500.
Abdelhamid Amine, the president of the Moroccan Association of Human
Rights, which has been campaigning for a minimum wage, praised Tel

Quel

for publishing the figures.
"People are angry to learn that there is such an enormous disparity
between the rich and poor in our country," he said. "They want to

know how

the monarchy can spend so much when so many people are living on less

than

$1 a day.
"We have continually campaigned for an agreed minimum wage of 112-119

a

month in industry and 80 a month in agriculture. The legislation has

been

drawn up but never implemented.
"We have demanded constitutional reforms to limit the powers of the
monarchy and create a properly democratic system. Everyone hoped

Mohammed

VI would change these things, but we are still hoping."
Two years ago, a Moroccan magazine editor was jailed for four years

after

he published a cartoon suggesting that the monarchy was robbing the
country.
Tel Quel's royal budget issue sold 35,000 copies, double its usual

weekly

circulation. A spokesman for the independent magazine said: "We've

waited

for some official reaction to the article, but so far there's been
nothing. Not from the court, from the official press or from MPs.

It's

quite bizarre."
The controversial article was accompanied by an interview with Prince
Moulay Hicham.
"The monarchy has to either dissociate itself from the old caliphal

system

or evolve from it," he said.
He dismissed the idea that the monarchy was "sacred".
The prince said: "Democracy and sacredness are not compatible. That's

the

whole problem with the Moroccan political system and a question which
affects us all."
King Mohammed promised to modernise Moroccan society and introduce a
culture of accountability and transparency when he came to power

after his

father's autocratic 38-year reign.
He also pledged to make the fight against poverty one of his

priorities

and embark on a series of political and economic reforms. Most

powers,

however, remain in the hands of the monarchy and his hand-picked

advisers,

known as the makhzen, and ordinary Moroccans have seen little real
improvement in their lives.

Yadda, tadda, yadda. <YAWN>
Susan

[Susan Cohen]

Post by Hannah Levy
Living in Morocco during 30 years , I don't think anyone knows what's
really 's going behind the palaces gates.Moroccan palaces are not public
***** hotels where journalists are allowed to talk to their

employees.It's a

Post by Hannah Levy
total secrecy and the staff is chosen more carefully than the one working in
UK royal palaces.
None of the employees is allowed to talk to foreigners and less to
journalists, any journalist.
Everybody who does not work for the king is suspicious and must be
avoided.This is the rule governing everybody inside the palace, period!
If journalists have questions or want to talk to someone from the palaces,
there is an official speaker paid just to do that job and nothing else , so
the other members of the staff have not to do it.
Since "The Telegraph" has given an acurate detailed account of how money
is spent
by the royal family as if the author of the story below has lived during
many years inside
those palaces with the royal family and as if he/she were their
personal accountant ,could this reporter illustrate his/her story and
his/her speculations with some kind of bona fide source I can check by
myself ?

I would think the utility costs could have been obtained from
the utilities themselves. I'm sure someone there would reveal
their utility levies for a small *fee*.

We know the total amount from the government gazette anyway.

Post by Hannah Levy
I don't trust anybody , especially this kind this kinf of liars brit
journalists writing sensationalist
stories in their tabloids in order to sell their papers.
Knowing Morocco as I know it for many years Ican assure anyone

that there

Post by Hannah Levy
is nothing true in this anti-Moroccan propaganda financed by Algeria seeking
by any mean possible to tarnish Morocco's image,its sworn foe.
Anything that can't be confirmed by sources from the Moroccan palaces
is just a fiction .And I am sure Moroccan palaces won't allow the
publication of this
kind of taboo information.I confirme again this article is just pure
speculations to sell the paper publishing it.

Who was that Moroccan woman who escaped to France and wrote a book
about her life as a slave to the Moroccan royal family?

Susan

[hannah levy]

Post by Hannah Levy

Post by Hannah Levy
Living in Morocco during 30 years , I don't think anyone knows

what's

Post by Hannah Levy
really 's going behind the palaces gates.Moroccan palaces are not

public

Post by Hannah Levy
***** hotels where journalists are allowed to talk to their

employees.It's a

Post by Hannah Levy
total secrecy and the staff is chosen more carefully than the one

working in

Post by Hannah Levy
UK royal palaces.
None of the employees is allowed to talk to foreigners and less to
journalists, any journalist.
Everybody who does not work for the king is suspicious and must be
avoided.This is the rule governing everybody inside the palace,

period!

Post by Hannah Levy
If journalists have questions or want to talk to someone from the

palaces,

Post by Hannah Levy
there is an official speaker paid just to do that job and nothing

else , so

Post by Hannah Levy
the other members of the staff have not to do it.
Since "The Telegraph" has given an acurate detailed account of how

money

Post by Hannah Levy
is spent
by the royal family as if the author of the story below has lived

during

Post by Hannah Levy
many years inside
those palaces with the royal family and as if he/she were their
personal accountant ,could this reporter illustrate his/her story

and

Post by Hannah Levy
his/her speculations with some kind of bona fide source I can

check by

Post by Hannah Levy
myself ?

I would think the utility costs could have been obtained from
the utilities themselves. I'm sure someone there would reveal
their utility levies for a small *fee*.Have you seen weith you own eyes
''<someone there would reveal

their utility levies for a small *fee*" ? Answer only by"" yes"" or
""no"" ???
A statement can be only true or false , not both at the same time.
Or is it just a guess, a supposition, a theory, another speculation......
you're invoking in order to save your face ???????????.
Guesses, suppositions, theories,speculations, are not substitutes of facts
and
truth and are not accepted as evidence by logic ,by judges or by wise
readers
who know what human nature is all about =( homo homini lupus).
They are simply softened expressions for the harsher and unpleasant word
LIES .

Post by Hannah Levy
I'm sure someone there would reveal
their utility levies for a small *fee*.

To be sure is not enough to convince someone nowadays when
lies and deception rule the world . To be sure is another bigger lie.
You need to prove what you're telling the readers according to the
criteria of logic ,according to the 5 W's : ( when? Where?What?
Who?Why?) and also HOW MUCH was THE BRIBE AMOUNT.?
You need to prove what you're telling the readers according by providing
credible
sources that can be verified , because the accusations are very
serious and threaten the stability of that peaceful,,beautiful and peace
loving
country.

Post by Hannah Levy
We know the total amount from the government gazette anyway.

Why do you use " We" instead of 'I'- Who are "We" you're representing
or talking in their names?

Post by Hannah Levy
We know the total amount from the government gazette anyway.

This is another lie delivered by your own imagination .
There is no such thing like he government gazette in Morocco ,

Post by Hannah Levy
We know the total amount from the government gazette anyway.

Be more specific if you don't want to be treated as a storyteller
by the readers requiring irrefutable evidence of your accusation ,
b cause nobody trust anybody nowadays without substantiating
his/her hit and run -

Post by Hannah Levy
We know the total amount from the government gazette anyway.

Bring some real evidence to your story if you are not a despicable
and vile liar who spreads disinformation paid by Algerian agents
or hold your breath . You don't fool anybody, but yourself , yourselves .

Do not answer if you're not able to provide real sources of your
information
that can be verified.Everybody knows this report is a hoax intented to
deceive naive readers not forwarned of your morally depraved manipulations.

In conclusion, I can say without a shade of doubt that your email
designed to discredit Morocco's Institutions without providing any evidence
is a part of an international conspiracy against the people of Morocco
and its stability they're enjoying right now under the reign of their
great and wise king who's changing that country into a free,democratic
and modern state where human rights and the law are the rule like any
country of the U.E.

Post by Hannah Levy

Post by Hannah Levy
I don't trust anybody , especially this kind of liars brit
journalists writing sensationalist
stories in their tabloids in order to sell their papers.
Knowing Morocco as I know it for many years Ican assure anyone

that there

Post by Hannah Levy
is nothing true in this anti-Moroccan propaganda financed by Algeria

seeking

Post by Hannah Levy
by any mean possible to tarnish Morocco's image,its sworn foe.
Anything that can't be confirmed by sources from the Moroccan palaces
is just a fiction .And I am sure Moroccan palaces won't allow the
publication of this
kind of taboo information.I confirme again this article is just pure
speculations to sell the paper publishing it.

Who was that Moroccan woman who escaped to France and wrote a book
about her life as a slave to the Moroccan royal family?
Susan

[Susan Cohen]

message

Post by Susan Cohen
I would think the utility costs could have been obtained from
the utilities themselves. I'm sure someone there would reveal
their utility levies for a small *fee*.Have you seen weith you own eyes
''<someone there would reveal

their utility levies for a small *fee*" ? Answer only by"" yes"" or
""no"" ???
A statement can be only true or false , not both at the same time.
Or is it just a guess, a supposition, a theory, another speculation......
you're invoking in order to save your face ???????????.

He's just a brainless forger - don't expect anything serious or intelligent
from him.

Susan

[Susan Cohen]

[snip]

Post by hannah levy

Post by Susan Cohen
I would think the utility costs could have been obtained from
the utilities themselves. I'm sure someone there would reveal
their utility levies for a small *fee*.Have you seen weith you own eyes
''<someone there would reveal

their utility levies for a small *fee*" ? Answer only by"" yes"" or
""no"" ???

What sort of idiot are you, Hannah?

Post by hannah levy
A statement can be only true or false , not both at the same time.

Oh, that *kind* of idiot.

Post by hannah levy
Or is it just a guess, a supposition, a theory, another

speculation......

Post by hannah levy
you're invoking in order to save your face ???????????.
Guesses, suppositions, theories,speculations, are not substitutes of facts
and
truth and are not accepted as evidence by logic ,by judges or by wise
readers
who know what human nature is all about =( homo homini lupus).
They are simply softened expressions for the harsher and unpleasant word
LIES .

Wow! What are *you* gibbering about?

Post by hannah levy

Post by Susan Cohen
I'm sure someone there would reveal
their utility levies for a small *fee*.

To be sure is not enough to convince someone nowadays when
lies and deception rule the world . To be sure is another bigger lie.
You need to prove what you're telling the readers according to the
criteria of logic ,according to the 5 W's : ( when? Where?What?
Who?Why?) and also HOW MUCH was THE BRIBE AMOUNT.?

Do you need a special test? Or some medication?

Post by hannah levy
You need to prove what you're telling the readers according by providing
credible
sources that can be verified , because the accusations are very
serious and threaten the stability of that peaceful,,beautiful and peace
loving country.

Are you some sort of apologist for Morocco, Hannah?

Post by hannah levy

Post by Susan Cohen
We know the total amount from the government gazette anyway.

Why do you use " We" instead of 'I'- Who are "We" you're

representing

Post by hannah levy
or talking in their names?

Uh-huh, a kook.

Post by hannah levy

Post by Susan Cohen
We know the total amount from the government gazette anyway.

This is another lie delivered by your own imagination .
There is no such thing like he government gazette in Morocco ,

Post by Susan Cohen
We know the total amount from the government gazette anyway.

Be more specific if you don't want to be treated as a storyteller
by the readers requiring irrefutable evidence of your accusation ,
b cause nobody trust anybody nowadays without substantiating
his/her hit and run -

Post by Susan Cohen
We know the total amount from the government gazette anyway.

Bring some real evidence to your story if you are not a despicable
and vile liar who spreads disinformation paid by Algerian agents
or hold your breath . You don't fool anybody, but yourself ,

yourselves .

<YAWN"

As far as dimwitted idiots go, Hannah, you *even* take
the cake from alex seradin. Do you often spout gibberish?

Post by hannah levy
Do not answer if you're not able to provide real sources of your
information
that can be verified.Everybody knows this report is a hoax intented to
deceive naive readers not forwarned of your morally depraved

manipulations.

Your name isn't really *Hannah Levy* is it?

Post by hannah levy
In conclusion, I can say without a shade of doubt that your email
designed to discredit Morocco's Institutions without providing any evidence
is a part of an international conspiracy against the people of Morocco
and its stability they're enjoying right now under the reign of their
great and wise king who's changing that country into a

free,democratic

Post by hannah levy
and modern state where human rights and the law are the rule like any
country of the U.E.

Yep, another stupid muslim nutjob. Nice dodge of my
question about the slave girl. Why didn't you want to
answer that, *Hannah*?

Here it is again -

Post by hannah levy

Post by Susan Cohen
Who was that Moroccan woman who escaped to France and wrote a book
about her life as a slave to the Moroccan royal family?

Susan

[Hannah Levy]

No answer for the morally deprived viper.
You only deserve my contempt despicable creature.

"Susan Cohen" <***@gmail.com> wrote in message news:***@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...

[The Rev' 'd]

On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 06:07:17 GMT, "Hannah Levy"

Post by Hannah Levy
No answer for the morally deprived viper.
You only deserve my contempt despicable creature.

Yours is an Irish name, isn't it?

[Susan Cohen]

Post by Hannah Levy
No answer for the morally deprived viper.
You only deserve my contempt despicable creature.

What are you on about, twit?

Susan

[nemo]

Post by Hannah Levy
?
I don't trust anybody , especially this kind this kinf of liars brit
journalists writing sensationalist
stories in their tabloids in order to sell their papers.
Knowing Morocco as I know it for many years Ican assure anyone

that there

Post by Hannah Levy
is nothing true in this anti-Moroccan propaganda financed by Algeria seeking
by any mean possible to tarnish Morocco's image,its sworn foe.
Anything that can't be confirmed by sources from the Moroccan palaces
is just a fiction .And I am sure Moroccan palaces won't allow the
publication of this
kind of taboo information.I confirme again this article is just pure
speculations to sell the paper publishing it.

If you read this article from The Daily Telegraph ( not a tabloid) you
will see that it is based on another article that appeared in the
French-language Moroccan newspaper Tel Quel.
Interesting comparison between the various heads of state - the Spanish
monarchy costs a lot less than the British one but the French President
costs a great deal more than either.

[Hannah Levy]

Post by Hannah Levy
?
I don't trust anybody , especially this kind this kinf of liars brit
journalists writing sensationalist
stories in their tabloids in order to sell their papers.
Knowing Morocco as I know it for many years Ican assure anyone

that there

Post by Hannah Levy
is nothing true in this anti-Moroccan propaganda financed by Algeria

seeking

Post by Hannah Levy
by any mean possible to tarnish Morocco's image,its sworn foe.
Anything that can't be confirmed by sources from the Moroccan palaces
is just a fiction .And I am sure Moroccan palaces won't allow the
publication of this
kind of taboo information.I confirme again this article is just pure
speculations to sell the paper publishing it.

If you read this article from The Daily Telegraph ( not a tabloid) you
will see that it is based on another article that appeared in the
French-language Moroccan newspaper Tel Quel.

It looks like you are a very decent, honest , beautiful and naive human
being.
As I reported in my previous emails on this subject, Moroccan palaces are
not public ***** hotels and journalists are not allowed to stay in, or to
get in ,or to interview their staff.
Did you ask yourself if the journalist of the Moroccan tabloid "Tel Quel
" who tells all kind of "sensationalist" stories about the king and the
royalty in general has ever put his feet inside any Moroccan palace or if he
has ever interviewed any member of the staff of any royal palace.??The
staff of Tel Quel are pariahs and everyone in Morocco without exception
flees them as if they were affected with leprosy .It is an infamy to be
seen around them or to talk to them. They are considered the enemies of
Moroccan people and the king.They have no principles, no work ethics, no
decency,they don't respect the constitution ,the basic laws, the tradition,
the culture of the nation .... Everything they write is based on fiction and
deliria.They have no way to have a snitch in the palace to tell them what's
happening behind its closed gates kept under tight surveillance 24X7.
Everybody knows this fact. So, who tells them what they write in their
tabloid?? You know and everybody knows that their source is their own
imagination stimulated by hashish joints combiend with amphetamins.If Tel
Quel tells the truth, be assured BBC WILL REPORT
ALSO ITS STORIES. But BBC with its long experience and wisdom can discern
what is true and what is not. That's why it never reports those lies because
it risks to be sued for defamation . Just wait a moment, you'll see that
the Telegraph will soon be sued for
reporting deliberately false information ,lies and defamations against
the Moroccan royal family in order to tarnish its image .Remember Hassan
II has sued "Le Monde Fr." and other Spanish Newspapers for the same
motives and won all his lawsuits against those naive journalists without
any experience at all who can't even distinguish between defamation,
slander, libel, calumnie ... and freedom of speech.It's so sad.

I repeat, whatever Tel Quel tells in his tabloid against the monnarchy
is just pure fiction .This tabloid has been punished many times by the
justice for attacking the honor of the monarchy. There is no way the staff
of this tabloid can fool the super-vigilance of the professional security
agents of Moroccan palaces in order to collect info from inside. Anyone who
believes the security can be bribed has no idea what's talking about and
has never approached any Moroccan palace.Ask any Brit journalist about this
kind of security and if he/she ever could cross the gate of these royal
palaces.

Interesting comparison between the various heads of state - the Spanish
monarchy costs a lot less than the British one but the French President
costs a great deal more than either.

I don't know what cost more and what costs less in other palaces , what I
know for sure
is that nobody, noboby, nobody besides the private official accountant
of the palaces in Morocco knows the cost of the maintenance of these
National Monuments Moroccan people consider as their treasures .
They are worth every penny spent on them to keep them in good shape,
because Moroccans are pride of them and pride of their great king who does
not
spare any effort to transform Morocco into a modern state of the 3rd
millenium.
Our palaces are more than residences for the king, they are unique and
extraordinary pieces of Moroccan art which beauty moves anyone who .
observes it.

Post by Hannah Levy
?
I don't trust anybody , especially this kind this kinf of liars brit
journalists writing sensationalist
stories in their tabloids in order to sell their papers.
Knowing Morocco as I know it for many years Ican assure anyone

that there

Post by Hannah Levy
is nothing true in this anti-Moroccan propaganda financed by Algeria

seeking

Post by Hannah Levy
by any mean possible to tarnish Morocco's image,its sworn foe.
Anything that can't be confirmed by sources from the Moroccan palaces
is just a fiction .And I am sure Moroccan palaces won't allow the
publication of this
kind of taboo information.I confirme again this article is just pure
speculations to sell the paper publishing it.

If you read this article from The Daily Telegraph ( not a tabloid) you
will see that it is based on another article that appeared in the
French-language Moroccan newspaper Tel Quel.
Interesting comparison between the various heads of state - the Spanish
monarchy costs a lot less than the British one but the French President
costs a great deal more than either.

[Susan Cohen]

Post by Hannah Levy

Post by Hannah Levy
?
I don't trust anybody , especially this kind this kinf of liars brit
journalists writing sensationalist
stories in their tabloids in order to sell their papers.
Knowing Morocco as I know it for many years Ican assure anyone

that there

Post by Hannah Levy
is nothing true in this anti-Moroccan propaganda financed by Algeria

seeking

Post by Hannah Levy
by any mean possible to tarnish Morocco's image,its sworn foe.
Anything that can't be confirmed by sources from the Moroccan palaces
is just a fiction .And I am sure Moroccan palaces won't allow the
publication of this
kind of taboo information.I confirme again this article is just pure
speculations to sell the paper publishing it.

If you read this article from The Daily Telegraph ( not a tabloid) you
will see that it is based on another article that appeared in the
French-language Moroccan newspaper Tel Quel.

It looks like you are a very decent, honest , beautiful and naive human
being.

And you are one completely dumb fruitcake.

Post by Hannah Levy
As I reported in my previous emails on this subject, Moroccan

palaces are

Post by Hannah Levy
not public ***** hotels and journalists are not allowed to stay in, or to
get in ,or to interview their staff.
Did you ask yourself if the journalist of the Moroccan tabloid "Tel Quel
" who tells all kind of "sensationalist" stories about the king and the
royalty in general has ever put his feet inside any Moroccan palace or if he

Do they need to put their feet in the palace?
Haven't you ever heard of a telephone, fruitcake?

Post by Hannah Levy
has ever interviewed any member of the staff of any royal

palace.??The

Post by Hannah Levy
staff of Tel Quel are pariahs and everyone in Morocco without

exception

Post by Hannah Levy
flees them as if they were affected with leprosy .

So says you, fruitcake.

Post by Hannah Levy
It is an infamy to be
seen around them or to talk to them. They are considered the enemies of
Moroccan people and the king.They have no principles, no work

ethics, no

Post by Hannah Levy
decency,they don't respect the constitution ,the basic laws, the tradition,
the culture of the nation .... Everything they write is based on fiction and
deliria.They have no way to have a snitch in the palace to tell them what's
happening behind its closed gates kept under tight surveillance 24X7.
Everybody knows this fact.

So far its only you, fruitcake.

Post by Hannah Levy
So, who tells them what they write in their
tabloid?? You know and everybody knows that their source is their own
imagination stimulated by hashish joints combiend with amphetamins.

And you sit on the source of your facts. Why is it you have never
posted to Usenet prior to this thread? You are anoher muslim troll,
aren't you.

Post by Hannah Levy
If Tel Quel tells the truth, be assured BBC WILL REPORT
ALSO ITS STORIES. But BBC with its long experience and wisdom can discern
what is true and what is not. That's why it never reports those lies because
it risks to be sued for defamation . Just wait a moment, you'll see that
the Telegraph will soon be sued for
reporting deliberately false information ,lies and defamations

against

Post by Hannah Levy
the Moroccan royal family in order to tarnish its image .Remember

Hassan

Post by Hannah Levy
II has sued "Le Monde Fr." and other Spanish Newspapers for the same
motives and won all his lawsuits against those naive journalists without
any experience at all who can't even distinguish between

defamation,

Post by Hannah Levy
slander, libel, calumnie ... and freedom of speech.It's so sad.

You certainly are sad, fruitcake.

Susan

[Hannah Levy]

"Susan Cohen" <***@gmail.com> wrote in message news:***@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...

Hein!!

blahblahblah.....

Your emails are clear messages coming from your "core" begging for
professional help.

They are the evidence you are an ignoramus psycho liar,biased, prejudiced
and dazzled with hatred and arrogance and mentally disturbed .You prefer
to misguide people and spread desinformation in order to harm innocent
people. You promote hostility and offense instead of common-sense
and kindness. You resort without any provocation to insults and threats
instead of rational arguments and civilized behaviour.

All your emails about this suject send back your negative immoral and
depraved
personality to the reader . You are just a short tempered ignoramus,
ridiculous,
despicable old gossiper who inspire disdain ; you are a ridiculous sciolist
who
have neither the data, nor the experience in anything or subject ,nor the
education to participate adequately in a simple discussion like any
civilized
human being .You no merit to receive any feed back to your deliria and
peevishness.You should be proscribed from these newsgroups.Period!

You're causing pity even to your enemies with your senseless behaviour
in these international newsgroups.

Like any disgusting trash giving off a foul odor thrown on the sidewalk,
you don't deserve people to approach you, to look at you or to speak to you.
I am deleting your name from my pc right now after sending this trash to
you
to avoid the disgusting feeling I feel when I see your undesirable handle
in the headears.Hein!

Go seek professional help, psycho!Or go to Hell !!

[Sacha]

Post by Hannah Levy
Hein!!
blahblahblah.....
Your emails are clear messages coming from your "core" begging for
professional help.

<snip>

I'm really glad you're encouraging the measured response, Oliver - from all
quarters. What would agr do without your forethought on our behalf.

[Susan Cohen]

Post by Sacha

Post by Hannah Levy
Hein!!
blahblahblah.....
Your emails are clear messages coming from your "core" begging for
professional help.

<snip>
I'm really glad you're encouraging the measured response, Oliver - from all
quarters. What would agr do without your forethought on our behalf.

Makes me wonder if I should take the forger out of the killfile & keep
sending the forgeries to his ISP....?

SusanC

[The Rev' 'd]

FORGERY!!!

On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 03:03:18 GMT, "NOT Susan Cohen"

Post by Susan Cohen

Post by Sacha

Post by Hannah Levy
Hein!!
blahblahblah.....
Your emails are clear messages coming from your "core" begging for
professional help.

<snip>
I'm really glad you're encouraging the measured response, Oliver - from all
quarters. What would agr do without your forethought on our behalf.

Makes me wonder if I should take the forger out of the killfile & keep
sending the forgeries to his ISP....?
NOT SusanC

You mean you've killfiled the thick Irish cunt you're forging, forger?
LOL

[o***@hotmail.com]

Sacha wrote:

I'm really glad you're encouraging the measured response, Oliver - from
all
quarters. What would agr do without your forethought on our behalf.
--

Do I detect (ahem) a faint touch of irony here?

Seriously, my contributions are in another branch of this thread. I'm
interested in the Moroccan monarchy and to hear the views of a Moroccan
on the subject - you don't get much of that, at least not in English.

I didn't know that Hannah Levy was going to go ballistic, but we're
better at ignoring the insults of the fake Susan Cohen than others
might be.

Oliver

[Susan Cohen]

Post by o***@hotmail.com
I didn't know that Hannah Levy was going to go ballistic, but we're
better at ignoring the insults of the fake Susan Cohen than others
might be.

Then again, Hannah not being a regular of the groups he infests, wouldn't be
familiar w/him & his lame tricks.

Susan

[Susan Cohen]

Post by Hannah Levy
Hein!!
blahblahblah.....

[drivel snipped]

What's the matter, fruitcake? Got your panties in a bunch
after being exposed as the fraud you are.
Susan

P.S. Don't bother replying
.
.
.
PLONK!

[o***@hotmail.com]

Hannah Levy wrote an interesting account of the Moroccan monarchy. I
know that the views of someone who's lived there 30 years count more
than someone who was just a visitor, but here goes.

I don't want to kmock your loyalty to Morocco or its monarch but
attributing any hostile posts to Algeria smacks of conspiracy theory -
we know the two states are enemies but has Algeria the resources, the
finance and above all the contacts to plant stories like this? The
Telegraph is a (very) conservative pro-monarchy British broadsheet
newspaper which would have no time for the Algerian regime.

As to these figures, as you say, no-one knows - so someone is
estimating. With such a veil of secrecy spread by the monarchy, it's
not surprising that speculation goes on. In this country (UK), all
royal expenditure is open so we can find out about prince Andrew's
extravagant use of helicopters, for instance.

Mohammed VI is undoubtedly a more liberal monarch than his father
Hassan II. However, "moving towards" democracy seems to be happening at
a snail's pace. He's had plenty of time, but still the country feels
like a dictatorship - less so than the last time we visited under
Hassan, but last time I heard it's still an offence to criticise the
monarchy - the effect was that no-one we talked to would even discuss
the subject. Meanwhile his portrait seems to be on the wall in almost
every building public or private - this reminds me of Eastern Europe in
the old days. It's not like this in European monarchies.

I was struck by the sheer number of royal palaces - one each in Rabat,
Marrakesh, Tetouan, Fes and Meknes (which is only a few miles from
Fes.) I believe there is another outside Tangier and there may be still
more. Our monarch, not a byword for frugality compared to the
Scandinavian ones, makes do with four in a more populous country - and
of these Windsor is open a lot of the time when the residents are away,
Buck House less often. Yet the Moroccan ones seem never to be open.

I can't knock the King for employing so many of his subjects - heaven
knows, lots of them need real jobs rather than making a living on the
streets. But wouldn't it make more sense for them to help pay their
wages by opening the major palaces when the King and family are not
around? Tourists would pay good money, but are they afraid that
Moroccans might draw certain conclusions from the contrast between the
opulence therein and their own humble circumstances?

Oliver

[Hannah Levy]

I am sorry by I can't answer to every sentence you wrote below.
I just sent a long answer to nemo and my time is limited ont he internet.

Post by o***@hotmail.com
Hannah Levy wrote an interesting account of the Moroccan monarchy. I
know that the views of someone who's lived there 30 years count more
than someone who was just a visitor, but here goes.
I don't want to kmock your loyalty to Morocco or its monarch but
attributing any hostile posts to Algeria smacks of conspiracy theory -
we know the two states are enemies but has Algeria the resources, the
finance and above all the contacts to plant stories like this? The
Telegraph is a (very) conservative pro-monarchy British broadsheet
newspaper which would have no time for the Algerian regime.

With their surplus of petrodollars , Algerian junta can buy any good
lobbyist
who attempts to convince the public with lies about Moroccan monarchy.

Post by o***@hotmail.com
As to these figures, as you say, no-one knows - so someone is
estimating. With such a veil of secrecy spread by the monarchy, it's
not surprising that speculation

specualtions are not facts

Post by o***@hotmail.com
goes on. In this country (UK), all
royal expenditure is open so we can find out about prince Andrew's
extravagant use of helicopters, for instance.
Mohammed VI is undoubtedly a more liberal monarch than his father
Hassan II. However, "moving towards" democracy seems to be happening at
a snail's pace.

It's a beginning - It's working. Women in Europe and USA have waited till
1921 to start to vote .

Post by o***@hotmail.com
He's had plenty of time, but still the country feels
like a dictatorship -

4 years are not plenty of time, it's a hypocrisy, a misleading statement.
Every new law in any country takes years of processing , voting before
the tow chambers of the parliaments before its promulgation.

Post by o***@hotmail.com
less so than the last time we visited under
Hassan, but last time I heard it's still an offence to criticise the
monarchy -

Every country has its oral non written laws like tradition,customs
and conventions that must be respectedas any other written law -
Criticizing the king is one of them .
Moroccans put their king above any other consideration. The
king works for the good and the wellfare of the people and not against the
people.

Post by o***@hotmail.com
he effect was that no-one we talked to would even discuss
the subject. Meanwhile his portrait seems to be on the wall in almost
every building public or private - this reminds me of Eastern Europe in
the old days. It's not like this in European monarchies.

Do bear in mind Morocco is not a European monarchy and no one
has to impose to morocco to behave like European monarchies.
Morocco as I said above has its own millenary traditions , those
tradition belongs to us not to Europeans . Those traditions suit us
'perfectly meanwhile some European customs are not made for us
but for Europeans only,. Could you undesrtand what I mean, maaaaaan????


- one each in Rabat,

Post by o***@hotmail.com
Marrakesh, Tetouan, Fes and Meknes (which is only a few miles from
Fes.) I believe there is another outside Tangier and there may be still
more.

Our millenary customs existed when Europe was still in the stone age.
Our customs don't allow the king to live anywhere but inside palaces.
When the king travels, he resides inside a palace built specially for this
purpose .

Post by o***@hotmail.com
Our monarch, not a byword for frugality compared to the
Scandinavian ones, makes do with four in a more populous country - and
of these Windsor is open a lot of the time when the residents are away,
Buck House less often. Yet the Moroccan ones seem never to be open.

Morocco is not U.K -
Morocco has its own security reasons why king palaces must stay off limit
to the public.

Post by o***@hotmail.com
I can't knock the King for employing so many of his subjects - heaven
knows, lots of them need real jobs rather than making a living on the
streets. But wouldn't it make more sense for them to help pay their
wages by opening the major palaces when the King and family are not
around?

I repeat, Morocco is not UK.
We don't understand your commercialism that include to pay to visit your
royal palace.
It does not click in the brain of the Morrocan to allow tourists to pay to
get into palaces.
These art monuments are made for the use of the monarchy only and nobody
else.
Understand it or not does not matter, we have our customs and you have
yours. We are Africans not Europeans. capice??

Post by o***@hotmail.com
ut wouldn't it make more sense for them to help pay their
wages by opening the major palaces when the King and family are not
around?

Don't you think your naive ?
Do you think money is more important than the security of our state and our
king???
You know what I mean?

Post by o***@hotmail.com
ourists would pay good money, but are they afraid that
Moroccans might draw certain conclusions from the contrast between the
opulence therein and their own humble circumstances?

No matter what you think. there are very complexes and
very difficult realities in Morocco to be understood by foreigners
unfamiliar with our culture , history,and traditions.Bear in mind Morroccans
love their king and place him above any other consideration .Moroccans are
more royalists thant the king. The happiness or the grief of their king
are theirs too. They consider the palaces as their national heritage.
The rules, the practices, the customs .....governing the royal palaces in
Europe and what
europeans do with their royal palaces are not necessary guidelines or an
accepptable conduct for managing our Moroccan palaces .
Morocco is not Europe , it's an African country, capice.?
Good Bye!
Hannah

[o***@hotmail.com]

Dear Hannah

I respect your patriotism and agree again that you know more about
Morocco than any outsider. So I take your points about the royal
palaces and the popularity of the King.

Allow me, in return, to know more about Britain and its newspapers.
Believe me, there is no chance that the Daily Telegraph or any other
British newspaper is in the pay of the Algerians. Just because there is
criticism of a country does not mean that that country's enemies are
behind it.

I thought Mohammed had been on the throne for longer than four years -
but I looked it up and it's actually five and a half, which is still
less than I thought, but I would have thought a reasonable amount of
time. I know Morocco is not Europe, but Juan Carlos II of Spain managed
to transform his country from the military dictatorship under Franco to
a parliamentary democracy in less time than that. (Not without
opposition, including some Generals marching into Parliament, but it
happened.)

I agree that Mohammed may well be popular, at least compared to his
father - but you can't know that this is universal, 100%, because no
opinion poll has been conducted about this - in fact it would be
illegal to conduct one, as far as I can see.

I appreciate your time on the Internet may be limited so I've kept this
one short.

Oliver

[Susan Cohen]

Post by Hannah Levy
I am sorry by I can't answer to every sentence you wrote below.

Why not, fruitcake? Can't make up enough lies?

Post by Hannah Levy
I just sent a long answer to nemo and my time is limited ont he internet.

Why? Too busy in Seattle organizing terrorist cells? Don't worry,
I've alerted my FBI contacts to start keeping tabs on you.

Susan

[Susan Cohen]

Do we have to follow the cross-posting kulcha? ;-)

Well I thought it was relevant to all those ngs except possibly
alt.culture.french

A few years ago, a woman from Morocco who was kept as a royal
slave escaped to France and wrote a book. I was hoping one of
the Frogs would post some information about her. Instead all
we get is that phoney apologist *Hannah Levy* (clearly a fake
name and a troll).

I've been careful not to cross-post to that alien-invaders one

though.

Don't want folk to think I actually go there..... ;-)

That group was never included in this thread. But do you go there?
Susan